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Church minister said she will look into having gay partnerships – but not marriages – recognised by the National Church

Integration and church minister Birthe Rønn Hornbech has said she will look into the possibility of the National Church providing a framework to register same-sex partnerships, reports Kristeligt Dagblad newspaper.

The issue has received much media attention since Monday, when the advisory council at Copenhagen’s Hyltebjerg Church decided that gay couples should have the same rights as male-female couples within the National Church. The council then wrote to the ministry recommending the move.

That recommendation touched off a media storm to which Hornbech has now responded. But while she said she is open to gay partnerships being registered, she flatly rejected the idea of giving the Church’s approval to gay marriages.

Hornbech said that marriage within the Christian Church was ‘a ritual created to be between man and woman’.

The minister said she plans to discuss the issue with key figures in the National Church before making a final decision on the issue.

A poll among the nation’s ministers and vicars taken by Berlingske Tidende newspaper showed that a slight majority of them support a law change to allow gay marriages within the church. That result was a change from a poll conducted by Kristeligt Dagblad in 2007 that showed most were against the idea.

Four parties in parliament – the Social Democrats, Socialist People’s Party, Social Liberals and Liberal Alliance – are in the process of drafting proposals aimed at giving gay couples the same rights as male-female couples.
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JFD  - Semantic Games   |2010-03-09 18:05:21
This sounds like a political game of semantics to me. BRH "flatly rejected the idea" of gay marriage but is willing to bend the terminology to make room for an institution which basically provides the same effect. It's a disgrace.


Regardless of whether or not you believe in God or the bible as the word of God, the fact is that a Christian Church is to be based on God's word, i.e. the bible. That's precisely what makes it a "Christian" church. It is not to deviate from this constant, regardless of what social constructions come and go with the times. Therefore, for a Christian church like the National Church to recognize and condone any form of homosexuality is just a plain contradiction to the very word that its own instution is based on. If you don't believe me, I will be happy to quote three biblical references, but will not do that overtly here and now as it seems to offend many.

Although I personally feel that homosexuals are sickened people whose unions should be outlawed, I naturally would accept these unions as a member of a democratic society if the entity granting them these rights was a secular government unit doing so by a majority-rule mandate.

Along these lines, DK's system of having its National (Christian) Church run by a political party appointed bureaucrat is a perfect example of why the separation of church and state makes so much sense.

If this is put into place, I will be damn sure to discontinue my voluntary 1% chuch tax.
romgabe  - True and Faulty   |2010-03-09 19:52:47
@damestjernelys

YES, gltb couples and individuals deserve the SAME rights IN society. That is because our society is a representative democracy.

NOT the CASE in the Christian Church, which is not a democracy, rather a theocratic/ecclesial institution. The Christian Faith has CONSISTENTLY believed and practiced for the past 2000 years (its existance) that Marriage is only between a man and woman.

The government should GET OUT of the business of telling the Christian Church what to believe or practice. This is self-destructive to the Faith and believers.
magic1964  - ....   |2010-03-10 17:33:14
I think we should also consider he opinion of our dear musilm citizen who might get offended by this.....
maiky  - Bigots hiding behind religion   |2010-03-11 13:00:58
I think that damestjernelys' comment is the most sensible one made here.

JFD - all that stuff you write about "... "Christian" Church. It is not to deviate from this constant, regardless..." and so on - is real nonsense. If that were the actual case then all the Christians should be out stoning the believers of other faiths to death - because it says so in the bible - Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5

Romgabe - the same goes for you. There are many things in the christian bible that are not followed by the christian faith - either because they have chosen not to, interpreted them in another manner, or found that the laws of the modern society we live in forbid it.

In the light of what you've written - I think it's ok that a government bureaucrat should have some level of control over christian religion, if only so we get some idea and control over what you bigots and homophobics are up to.
romgabe  - twisting of meanings and wrong accusations   |2010-03-12 08:45:43
@maiky

Thanks for your comments. It shows that as JFD, your comments as about what you "personally feel."

I LOVE IT, so many times, anyone is against gay "marriages" (even if one is for gay citizens equal rights) the CLASSIC ACCUSATION is "control over what you bigots and homophobics are up to."

What I am trying to argue FOR is the consistency of the Christian Faith (2000 years), not for hating other people that are outside the Christian fellowship!

In response to your counterarguments "they have chosen not to, interpreted them in another manner, or found that the laws of the modern society we live in forbid it. "

1) Have you heard of the New vs. Old Covenant in the CHristian theology (Mosaic law .. such as stated in Leviticus is not mandated or required for Christians .. fx ... circumcision)?
2) There are things that are central to the Christian Faith (ie Jesus is God's Son), things that are not a requirement (women to cover their heads inside the church), and things that the Church has never tried to answer (why some are saved and others not .. something Calvinism tries to do).
3) The Christian Church, especially in the first 1000 years, has interpreted CONSISTENTLY the Bible. These teachings have not CHANGED. As part of this, IS also the definition of MARRIAGE.
romgabe  - 100% AGREE   |2010-03-13 17:01:01
@damestjernelys

This has been my proposition also while living in the US.

GET THE CHURCH OUT of performing state ceremonies/officiations.

GET THE STATE/GOV. to perform all duties (such as civil wedding ceremonies and certificates) for its citizens (WITHOUT discrimination on sexual orientation, color of skin, background, race, ethnicity, gender, etc.).

I agree 100% with you - "
Everyone would be a winner."

LORD have mercy on us, for not loving our neighbor enough!
romgabe  - Christian Theology vs. Christian pop-psychology   |2010-03-13 17:06:51
@Mikey

My 3 responses to your comment that "many things in the Christian Bible are not followed" was to help you understand some of the intricacies or peculiarities of the Christian Faith (Old vs New Testament, articles of Faith vs. preference, and consistent definitions that are foundational in the CHristian Faith).

The Christian Faith is not about feelings ... but about one single action/requirement ... to LOVE (God and neighbor).

The fact that God calls something a sin is not for me to judge. Neigther am I allowed to judge others. God loves all people ... but not all people love His standards. Be blessed!
 

 

 

 

 

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