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Wednesday’s arrest of Iraqi refugees taking shelter in a church has left a deeply divided population

A massive demonstration in Copenhagen yesterday protesting the arrest of 19 Iraqi refugees stands in stark contrast to multiple polls finding that the majority of people support the police.

Police estimate that more than 15,000 people took part in a march starting at Brorson’s Church in the Nørrebro district where the Iraqis had been living since May. They had sought refuge there with about 30 other Iraqis whose requests for asylum had been denied.

The march proceeded peacefully to Town Hall Square and on to the parliament building, where participants urged decision makers not to deport the Iraqis, some of whom have been living in Denmark for eight years.

Some had feared a repeat of Wednesday’s violence, but after dictating the route the march was to take, police stayed on the sidelines. No arrests were made.

Similar protests were also held in Århus, Aalborg and Svendborg.

In addition to showing their support for the Iraqis, many of the marchers said they were protesting police tactics to disperse the 300 activists who had attempted to prevent the arrests early Thursday morning.

It was only the second time in modern Danish history that police have arrested people seeking shelter in a church, and the first time they did so without the church’s permission.

Scenes of police striking activists with their truncheons were repeatedly broadcast throughout the day on Thursday, but the majority of people questioned in two independent polls say they support the decision to storm the church.

In a DR/Capacent poll of 1018 people, 54 percent said the police handled the eviction of the Iraqi refugees well while only 27 percent believed they had been too rough. A poll conducted for TV2 and Politiken newspaper, which had 1011 respondents; found that 60 percent supported the arrests and eviction from the church. In both polls, however, about 20 percent were undecided.

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magic1964   |2009-08-14 14:45:23
Why voting if some minorities can rule the country just by provoking an hysterical demonstration in front of the cameras, screaming and yelling like kids in the kindergaden ? Why the vast majority and the tax payers have to be ruled by small violent groups who actually don´t contribute at all ?? What type of democratie is that ?
iulianz03  - Democracy   |2009-08-14 16:44:09
magic 1964:
The controversy is not about whether that minority contributes or not. It is in this kind of situations that democracies need to show that indeed they are the best choice.
There are many more people in this country who do not contribute to anything, only generate violence, etc. This case is obviously just a Danish show-off. The Danish system as a whole is trying to show how powerful and breachless it is. But actually, deporting those iraqis just shows how weak the entire Danish system is. There are so many people who live here illegaly, and the only ones deported are those who had the courage not to flee Denmark( e.g. in another EU country), but to trust in Danish justice and humanity. Big mistake! I know this from personal experience. Maybe Danes are to be trusted, as individuals, but Danish systems( justice, welfare etc) are a catastrophe and just enable the worst in individuals become reality.
lemigrant  - It´s not because one is the loudest to cry for "he   |2009-08-14 17:31:51
...society has to grant it.

Imagine everybody could assert the right to stay in whatever country he likes simply by seeking asylum in a church supported by a totally irresponsable leftist minority.

Here´s my proposal:

Give the protesters and their beloved rejected (thus non-threatened in their home country) Irakis one of the so many danish islands and make them build a whole new and "more humane and decent" society WITHOUT bothering the vast majority of law-abiding people who contribute to the danish wealth.

Good reaction by danish government, it was pretty clever to not storm the church all the way after several days arresting innocent children etc.

They´ve waited long enough for people had the time to make up their minds and decide that the rule of law that still hasn´t ceased to exist in at least some western countries has to be defended whatsoever. Acting in a different way would have been yet another example of a european government practicing policies of appeasement and self-abandonment.

Danishmen stand firm, you are responsable for the sake of your children!
magic1964   |2009-08-14 18:15:18
20 000 demonstrating but more than 5 millions stayed home.....A screaming minority have more power tha a large majoritie? Is Denmark slowly becoming a fascist state run by violents minorities and activists ?
magic1964   |2009-08-15 13:37:27
iulianz03 wrote

"The controversy is not about whether that minority contributes or not. It is in this kind of situations that democracies need to show that indeed they are the best choice"

Yes you are right why not demonstrationg and be violent to get lower taxes so I don´t feel like working for others who do nothing?? and then who is next if we follow your argumeny??
Captain Comment  - No compassion   |2009-08-15 18:55:51
Christ - what is it with you people? You'd better pray that your country isn't invaded and you end up begging for asylum in some foreign land where hardly anyone likes you, locked up in a detention centre while you watch your wife and kids flounder and you're not able to work. Then to be dragged out of a place of sanctuary in the middle of the night by a bunch of aggressive thugs in front of your kids and deported back to a country (against the advice of the UN) where, in all probability, you'll be dead within a year. Where's your compassion people? I doubt if any of you were deported you'd muster a crowd of 15,000 people outside parliament.
foreigner  - damestjernelys... I am shocked   |2009-08-15 19:24:07
Most of your views have usually been balanced and objective. Until today. I hope it isn't the age-old syndrome of 'foreigner-hating-foreigner' because of the phobia of 'loosing tent space' when more foreigners arrive and enter the 'foreigners' tent'? I hereby wish to assure you that there is extra space in the tent for many more. Your corner is guaranteed for the entire period of your life.
magic1964   |2009-08-15 20:48:47
@ damestjernelys

I don´t hate foreigners I´m foreigner myself......I´m just tired of those young low intelligence activist who probably live on welfare thanks to my taxes. And let´s wait the the climate meeting in December....
rantingbrit  - What do DANES think!?   |2009-08-17 12:47:46
From his/her comments I always assumed magic 1964 was a card carrying national socialist..I am shocked to discover he/she is not a 'real' Dane.. But hey who am I to judge? I think the whole thing is a farce and should not have been allowed to get to this stage in the first place. Asylum refused, next stage, first flight to Baghdad.. And I am not lefty or rabid right wing either.
I just want to hear what real DANES think. It seems all foreigners commenting are extreme left or right so is there someone from the middle?
tom1980   |2009-08-17 15:40:01
How did these "poor" people manage to travel all the way to Denmark?
haim  - poor people   |2009-08-19 15:55:17
I think Tom, they used their life savings to escape the horrible situation in Irak, and potentially death.

I'm guessing I would have done the same for my kids.
issoleie   |2009-08-21 18:13:35
15.000 in support of the iraqis, how many were on the streets to support the eviction?

I think it is pretty clear that the people taking the time to assess the situation, and not just immediately respond with "Foreigners Out", are in a majority for a humane treatment of iraqi refugees.
Yang   |2009-08-22 02:28:00
Among all the kinds of applications for immigration, those for refugee/persecution are too tricky to deserve my personal agreement.
I always wonder which group of population truely desires the aids of humanity from foreign countries, those who have actively applied for it or their peers who have been living tough in the same dangerous confict area, but brave to face their destiny? For applicants who take human rights seriously the offer is good, but for those who don't, it's just another shortcut to better life without efforts.
I did hear of many political persecution paranonias from China, claiming vividly and gain what they are less competitive to have in domestic China. Although everyone is encouraged to live a better life, I just think of this kind of aids as pure as it should be, not involving cowardice, lazyness or to reap without one has not sown.
After all, the rights are there to take up. Losers are not welcomed.
casiodrenge   |2009-08-22 19:04:31
damestjernelys
"When individuals decide to disregard the law or their rulings because they don't like them, they make it worse for those who come after."
Rosa Parks, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, Emily Davison.
splat  - Pity   |2009-09-12 23:25:50
I pity anyone who comes to Denmark as a refugee. Danes are, in general some of the most unwelcoming people I have ever met..and I have met quite a few people and lived in quite a few countries, including Denmark. Thankfully I do know some good ones who have compassion. They are in the minority though as is evidenced by this comment section.
I am happy to say I have fled Denmark for a more welcoming land. No, I am not a refugee. I am educated and skilled but found that was not enough in Denmark. Denmark, like Japan is a "closed" culture. Perhaps the wealth and sense of entitlement has something to do with this, who knows.If you are not born there, you will never be truly welcome. The best you can hope for is to be tolerated.
magic1964  - @splat... Pity for Denmark   |2009-09-13 11:54:49
Usually, the immigrants who complaint the most are the one who abuse most the welfare by doing nothing and politics instead of working....yes I feel pity for me who has to pay taxes for those people who can get everything for free.......I which many more would have left the country with you.....maybe one day we can lower the taxes.
Constantin  - .   |2009-09-13 19:32:26
Because foock all those suffering people and the whole logic behind social welfare: I wanna pay less taxes!

Would you like the egotistical approach back in the 40s magic? Cause, hell yeah, I too wish there were less French around ;)
splat  - To Magic 1964   |2009-09-13 22:00:16
"magic 1964" where did you get the idea I took even 1kr. from the Danish state? You and your kind are the reason I left Denmark. I came there and started my own company and employed Danish workers. I NEVER took ANY money from the welfare system and NEVER used the medical system in 10 years. I brought in money from my country to start the business. The problem is that you make ASSUMPTIONS based on nothing. No need to apologize, not necessary. I just will NEVER bring my experience and skill to Denmark to generate capitol for you such an arrogant little nation.
 

 

 

 

 

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